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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 21, 2003 06:19 PM: Message edited by: shedder ]</font>
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 21, 2003 06:20 PM: Message edited by: shedder ]</font>
Yo Beat Hit,
I meant the "Christian attitude" thing sarcastically. I don't expect someone to necessarily surrender all their convictions in the name of religion. But it seems that Vinnie has two sides, the "god bless you, my brother" side, and the pissed off, volatile, unforgiving side. It's like, "who's the real Vinnie?" I suppose this is, however, somewhat true for all of us. But I still think it's really dumb to get bent out of shape over a taping. Fuck, Vinnie plainly says he used to try his hardest to boot Tony Williams back in the day. Has he forgotten what it's like? Maybe this dude's blatant audacity bugged him more than anything. Someone mentioned how this videotaping could distract Vinnie. Well, if such is the case, he may be in the wrong business, (obviously I am not serious about this.) Part of this music thing is entertainment. No, it is not Vinnie's responsibility to make sure the rest of the world can make bank off illegal bootlegs, but I think bad-ass players run that risk when they become so bad-ass and start playing gigs. And yes, of course I am aware of the self-gratification aspect of music as well, which, in my opinion, comes first. Vinnie probably feels that he should have the right to get up there, play, and make himself feel good, and he's right! What does he expect, though, people like his playing! People want to see it again and again for dissection purposes. Again, maybe it's the punk rock in me, but I vow on this Tuesday morning...if I am ever of Vinnie's status, bootleg me all you want, kiddies! Get rich!
Nice one.
If Vinnie asks someone nicely to stop, I agree there's no question they should. Sounds like the way Virgil handled it is the way a "pro" should.
The Baked Potato doesn't have a policy because MANY bands are OK with you taping. Most just want you to ask first. (Jeff Richman is a good example, Andy Summers is another)
Also, at NAMM a TON of people are from out of town or out of the country and may have no idea about Vinnie's temper regarding taping. I'm sure they just figure "hey, I get to make my first trip to the States and see my hero, I'd be crazy NOT to tape it!"
In any case, again I agree that when asked that guy certainly should have stopped taping but I don't hold it against him that he tried in the first place. Sites like this are out there for the promotion of our art form and other than the EBAY guy, I don't see people here trying to make money off Vinnie boots. If some guy from Japan (or Hollywood for that matter) wants to get some footage of his hero so he can study and learn from it I just have trouble finding anything disrepectful about it. (present case excluded of course)
Ya know, I think Vinnie could cut off a lot of this crap if he would just release an official video. Weckl doesn't seem to have to deal with this at all. It's like his attitude brings the bootleggers from the woodwork.
why has vinnie never made a drum video or anything of that sort. i maybe wrong but he does not seem to give much back to the drum community?
does anyone know what happened to his mother cause wasnt she very ill recently...? that was why the clinic tour was cancelled i belive?!
Nikk, I couldn't agree more.
Christian attitude Nikk? What's a Christian attitude? Being a door-mat? Not to have an opinion, and/or feelings on being used as a mere commodity? As in "shut up Vinnie and just play for our greed, 'cause there never will be enough boot-leg of you out there"
Keep in mind that it may also have been the way the guy was doing it in the open, right to his face. That's what people do when they go to the zoo. Very disrespectful it sounds the guy was. He should have hide himself at least!!
Because Vinnie plays the way he plays and that he's achieved such success, he must bypass his 'gut' feeling on the matter just because? You may not agree with it, but he's entitled to his opinion.
Put yourself in his shoes. Lots of folks in the drum-world chase him around just because of his status. You know that attraction to the 'rich&famous'/Star thing. It's easy for us non-famous to come to conclusions too quickly. I am glad I am not known!!!
Anyways, as I just read in H.O.D. forum, there are other Vinnie NAMM boot-legs available. It's not that bad... One less available, that's all.
Let's give the guy a break!!
Ciao,
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 21, 2003 01:34 AM: Message edited by: beat Hit ]</font>
Vinnie is smart and I think he has a right not to have people videotape. So many guys have videos out and after the video comes out everybody starts playing those licks and it makes it so that there's no mystery anymore.
A friend asked the great drummer Joey Baron if she could take a lesson from him and he simply said I don't teach, but the best thing to do is to come see me live and buy the records I'm on.
I also heard Billy Cobham is a realy stickler on video taping.
Playing is their livelihood and they should protect themselves.
I know the Grateful Dead and jam bands have a following of tapers but a lot of those bands are anti commercial and make most of their money on playing live shows.
Also, when Vinnie passes he can help protect his family by having control over his incredible talents. If tapes are going around left and right for free then why would anyone want to buy the real tape. Look at Buddy Rich. When he died, (with serious tax prolems I have heard-hope not to cause a rumor if this is not true) his daughter was/is smart in gathering up all of his professional tapes and is now creating quite a documentation of her father and hopefully at the same time recouping some $$$.
Come on, let's think ahead and not be so greedy.
Weckl on the other hand has from the get go very quickly put out a lot of info from the first transcriptions of his sound supplemt to his videos to the latest Gruber concepts. Dave's a great teacher and wants his name out there. Vinnie was a little older when all of this video stuff came out and had to concentrate on playing on records and jingles to sustain a living. He's totally hooked up with playing drums as a sideman with people and probably wants to keep that going.
IMO- I think Vinnie (while he's in his prime-which could be today or in several years-haha) should record a Video under raps on a format that is encoded that can't be duped and then trickle them out about the time he wants to slow down his schedule (live/studio). Look at how hungry we all are to find Vinnie stuff. He's smart, smart and least I say smart.
Wheww- just had to let this out!
Blake [img]eek.gif[/img]
has anyone been able to download the video clip i posted earlier?
yeah, shed... thanks for that one!!!
I did the ol' right click and save target as type deal and walked away with a 12.5meg vid of the Vin-Man himself.. courtesy of the Shed-Man?
how'd ya manage that vid and the pics if Vinnie chased down one dude already?
anyhoo, hope you can share the rest of that tape with the rest of us HODans.